Grimes, Matt Zien & Ben Relles at Artist and the Machine
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Grimes, Matt Zien & Ben Relles at Artist and the Machine with tags grimes, ai
Grimes and Matt Zien (KNGMKR) talk about “The Tutorial”, ethics, and philosophy for artists grappling with AI.
Live at Artist and The Machine in LA.
Moderated by Ben Relles.
Recorded November 19, 2025 at the AI & Creativity Summit, Los Angeles.
0:00 - Introduction & The Tutorial Trailer
3:21 - Panel Begins: Grimes & Matt Zen Take the Stage
4:09 - Origin Story: From Coachella Disaster to Documentary
6:06 - Why We Film Everything: Philosophy Meets Process
7:03 - The AI Dancers Debate: Ethics in Real-Time
8:50 - Why Artists Need Philosophy Now
11:03 - "This Was Harder Than Shooting"
12:22 - What Should Remain Human?
13:58 - The Paradox Method: Pushing AI to Its Edges
16:18 - The Meaning Economy: Content vs. Art
18:54 - Grimes on Protecting Kids from Dopamine Burnout
21:29 - "Forgive the Haters": Understanding the Backlash
26:43 - When the Machine Surprises You
28:06 - Post Scarcity Blues: "Will I Matter Anymore?"
31:03 - Open-Sourcing Grimes's Voice: Lessons Learned
34:11 - The Future of Interactive Storytelling
36:27 - What's Next: The Vid2Vid Studio & Cobrah Collaboration
38:26 - Learning from Crypto: Avoiding the AI Hype Trap
40:07 - Closing Thoughts
Matt Zien - @kngmkrlabs
The Tutorial - @TheTutorial-Series
Artist and the Machine - @ArtistandtheMachine
